"orders of true faqír do exist"
Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 10:53 am
looking for thoughts on selflesness
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The concept of poverty in Islam is thus commented upon by Bausani:
The concept of poverty is very ancient in Islám and goes back to the very frugal and sober ways of the Prophet himself, because of his direct contact with the simple customs of the Arabs of the desert. According to a famous, frequently quoted by mystics, hadît., he said al-faqru fahrí (`poverty is my vaunt'). However, Faqr was often interpreted as a metaphor, namely as not having any personal merit, being nothing, the poorest of all the poor ones in front of the supreme wealth of the Wealthy One; however orders of true faqír do exist ... . (Author's translation of L'Islam 93)
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what is the author referring to
"orders of true faqír do exist"
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also it appears ... at least to a certain degree of personal understanding
selflesnes revolves around obediance to The Covenant ... thus if we see one in obediance than that person can be described as bein selfless
even if he is a Ruler issuing decrees 24/7 as long as the Ruler is being obediant within The Covenant than he can be described as bein selfless
yet
a person can not describe himself as bein selfless
for as soon as he describes a quality to himself
well ... the gnostics readin this note understand this dilimea
*smile*
this then tends to discredit a line of thought known as
"Empirical Selflessness"
but could open up some profound scholary discourse on our Covenant
o Beloved
the thin lines of Thy flowing robe
bear ample testamont to our poverty
should we sing today
or quietly stand in the pouring rain
no matter my Beloved
no matter at all
for my heart is a flutter
O My Beloved
O what a Day
*smile*
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so ... smile ... in brief selflessness has been covered within the Baha'i writings ...
i think it would be interesting to have a cross comparission study of selflesness as expressed through religion through out the ages ...
Christian concepts
Islamic Concepts
Babi and Baha'I concepts
anybody who wishes to add some selfless dialogue within this thread
would be greatly apprecicted
tia
*smile*
oneness
dh
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The concept of poverty in Islam is thus commented upon by Bausani:
The concept of poverty is very ancient in Islám and goes back to the very frugal and sober ways of the Prophet himself, because of his direct contact with the simple customs of the Arabs of the desert. According to a famous, frequently quoted by mystics, hadît., he said al-faqru fahrí (`poverty is my vaunt'). However, Faqr was often interpreted as a metaphor, namely as not having any personal merit, being nothing, the poorest of all the poor ones in front of the supreme wealth of the Wealthy One; however orders of true faqír do exist ... . (Author's translation of L'Islam 93)
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what is the author referring to
"orders of true faqír do exist"
/////
also it appears ... at least to a certain degree of personal understanding
selflesnes revolves around obediance to The Covenant ... thus if we see one in obediance than that person can be described as bein selfless
even if he is a Ruler issuing decrees 24/7 as long as the Ruler is being obediant within The Covenant than he can be described as bein selfless
yet
a person can not describe himself as bein selfless
for as soon as he describes a quality to himself
well ... the gnostics readin this note understand this dilimea
*smile*
this then tends to discredit a line of thought known as
"Empirical Selflessness"
but could open up some profound scholary discourse on our Covenant
o Beloved
the thin lines of Thy flowing robe
bear ample testamont to our poverty
should we sing today
or quietly stand in the pouring rain
no matter my Beloved
no matter at all
for my heart is a flutter
O My Beloved
O what a Day
*smile*
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so ... smile ... in brief selflessness has been covered within the Baha'i writings ...
i think it would be interesting to have a cross comparission study of selflesness as expressed through religion through out the ages ...
Christian concepts
Islamic Concepts
Babi and Baha'I concepts
anybody who wishes to add some selfless dialogue within this thread
would be greatly apprecicted
tia
*smile*
oneness
dh